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mixedmom Moderator

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Posted: Sat 16 Sep 2006 15:43 Post subject: Black Men, Asian Women |
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This is a three page article but I'm only going to post the first page. Click on the link below to continue reading pages 2 and 3.
http://colorlines.com/article.php?ID=22
Spring 2006
Black Men, Asian Women
The hype about interracial television couples is that Americans have moved so far past race they don’t even notice.
As a South Asian woman with a long and pluralistic dating history, I am amazed these days to see two couples comprised of Asian women and Black men every week. The sugary romance between the excessively noble characters played by Parminder Nagra and Shafiq Atkins on ER follows the much hotter one between Ming Na Wen and Mekhi Phifer that ended two seasons ago. Grey’s Anatomy features Sandra Oh in an up-and -down relationship with Isaiah Washington.
What accounts for such interest? It’s as though these couples have been pouring out of medical schools and producers decided to capture the trend.
The representations tread the line between cultural authenticity, sometimes considered stereotype, and colorblindness. The women exhibit some level of conflict with their cultures and are slightly neurotic: Ming Na dreaded telling her immigrant parents that she was having a baby out of wedlock; Nagra quit her job in a bout of rebellion against family expectation to work as a convenience store clerk. The men are dangerous but tender. Phifer grew up without a father and has a temper; Gallant went off to serve in Iraq. I did laugh at the effort to bridge cultures, though, when Nagra’s character got married wearing a white sari. White is the Hindu color of mourning.
The hype about interracial television couples is that Americans have moved so far past race they don’t even notice. “Honestly, we really don’t even talk about it or consider that it’s an interracial couple,”said ER’s Executive Producer David Zabel in an interview with Diversity Inc. He claims that a quick look at MTV proves that younger people don’t draw those lines.
Web-surfing indicates that younger people do indeed draw those lines, at least for purposes of fulfilling their attractions. On Tribe NY, I found a group for Asian women who love Black men, and on Blasian.com I found Black men who love Asian women. The website African and Asian American Unity has tools for getting to know the other culture that include instructions on how to keep a bonsai, cook Chinese greens and participate in Kwanzaa. It also has a highly insightful advice column, “Ask Mike,” in which a bald, slim, goateed Black man will answer your romantic questions at great length for free. The vast majority of questions were from people under 25 wanting to know how they could find, keep or correct their Black or Asian partner.
An Analysis of Desire
While the number of such actual couples remains small (an unknown but undoubtedly tiny portion of the 2 percent of U.S. residents in interracial marriages), there does appear to be a dramatic growth among daters in particular places.
My Asian girlfriends and I spent our college years snottily rejecting the few white men who came around as “rice lovers.”
Particular neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Los Angeles seem to have become havens for Black men seeking Asian women and vice versa. While sitting on her stoop in Ft. Greene, Brooklyn, a Japanese friend was approached by an Asian woman walking with her baby stroller. The woman asked whether my friend had any kids. She was searching for potential members of a group for kids with a Black father and Asian mother.
What accounts for the sudden attraction? Darrell Hamamoto, professor of Asian American studies at the University of California–Davis, believes it is rooted in prevailing stereotypes stemming from Black men’s military experiences in Asia. Hamamoto gained some notoriety as the producer of a pornographic film featuring Asian sex, his effort to complicate and abandon the stereotypes of oversexed Asian women and impotent Asian men. He asserts that the U.S. military draws large numbers of Black men looking for a ladder to the middle class, whose status changes when they go abroad. These men see Asian women as subjects of the American—and, by implication, their own—empire.
“This trend is rooted with American colonialism and occupation. Material and historical forces shape these relationships,”said Hamamoto. “You have three, four, five generations of African-American men who have served oversees in Asia, whose experience with Asian women has been pretty intense in a foreign land where they are treated not as subordinate people but as superior Americans.”
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mul2std Experienced User

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Posted: Sun 17 Sep 2006 15:25 Post subject: |
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| alot of the attraction can be attributed to music videos as well. i have noticed alot of them feature asian or hapa women. |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Mon 18 Sep 2006 13:03 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | This trend is rooted with American colonialism and occupation. Material and historical forces shape these relationships,”said Hamamoto. “You have three, four, five generations of African-American men who have served oversees in Asia, whose experience with Asian women has been pretty intense in a foreign land where they are treated not as subordinate people but as superior Americans. |
If this were true, Amerasian children and other half non-Korean children in South Korea, particularly half black ones, wouldn't be treated like second-class citizens in that country. In Japan too, half black/African American children are poorly treated. East Asian societies have a long history of demonizing the other and xenophobia.
In contrast, such children in the Philippines, from what I've heard, are less stigmatized in that society.
Obviously it is not axiomatic that ALL Asian societies treat black Americans or any American as superior. |
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mixedmom Moderator

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Posted: Mon 18 Sep 2006 13:36 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | If this were true, Amerasian children and other half non-Korean children in South Korea, particularly half black ones, wouldn't be treated like second-class citizens in that country. In Japan too, half black/African American children are poorly treated. East Asian societies have a long history of demonizing the other and xenophobia.
In contrast, such children in the Philippines, from what I've heard, are less stigmatized in that society.
Obviously it is not axiomatic that ALL Asian societies treat black Americans or any American as superior. |
I think that the quote that you sited was an observation for why the various far East Asian women were attracted to American black men initially even if later on the half foreign children (including the half white ones) are treated poorly. |
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triguy Superuser

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Posted: Thu 21 Sep 2006 21:01 Post subject: |
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| mixedmom wrote: | | G-Man wrote: | If this were true, Amerasian children and other half non-Korean children in South Korea, particularly half black ones, wouldn't be treated like second-class citizens in that country. In Japan too, half black/African American children are poorly treated. East Asian societies have a long history of demonizing the other and xenophobia.
In contrast, such children in the Philippines, from what I've heard, are less stigmatized in that society.
Obviously it is not axiomatic that ALL Asian societies treat black Americans or any American as superior. |
I think that the quote that you sited was an observation for why the various far East Asian women were attracted to American black men initially even if later on the half foreign children (including the half white ones) are treated poorly. |
I agree with MixedMom. However, this doesn't explain attraction of Asian-American and African-Americans in general. Sometimes, people just fall in love and it's not about power or colonialism. Joe meets Jane in science camp; or Jun meets Sally in pre-school or at the club.
Alternatively, the use of Asian and African-Americans as love interests in the media allows for more love interests amongst the cast in a show without having to show any mixing with a white character. "Grey's Anatomy" does feature a white/black couple in Meredith's mother and the Chief of Staff who dated years ago, causing the divorce of Meredith's parents. |
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triguy Superuser

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Posted: Thu 21 Sep 2006 21:05 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure about how well black-filipino children are treated in the Phillipines, which has a long history of preferring whiter looking Filipinos. Filipino culture has suffered a lot due to colonization by the Spanish and Americans. A review of Filipino periodicals and media will show a clear biases towards fair-skinned people with more Caucasian features.
It's really sad. |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Fri 22 Sep 2006 14:59 Post subject: |
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| triguy wrote: | I'm not sure about how well black-filipino children are treated in the Phillipines, which has a long history of preferring whiter looking Filipinos. Filipino culture has suffered a lot due to colonization by the Spanish and Americans. A review of Filipino periodicals and media will show a clear biases towards fair-skinned people with more Caucasian features.
It's really sad. |
Comparatively, they are treated better than such children in South Korea and Japan, which don't have a history of being colonized by the U.S. or Europe (we can always stretch the definition of colonization of course). South Korea in particular has (or had?) institutionalized second-class status for such children.
Further, East Asian societies are more xenophobic and ethnically homogenous than the Philippines. Consequently, the Philippines, despite the preference for light skin engendered by the Spanish and Americans (and not unknown to East Asia), may be more tolerant and accepting of such children.
According to this chart that summarizes a study on Asian attitudes with respect to intermarriage, 80% of Filipinos would be fine if someone in their family married an African American. The percentages for Chinese, Indian, and Vietnamese were 58%, 49%, and 44% respectively. More on the study and related information can be garnered here: Asain Impact.
Although Filipinos are arguably the most westernized of these Asian groups, they are much more accepting of intermarriage with African Americans. One could conclude from this that they would be more accepting of the children of such unions relative to other Asian groups as well. Whether this has anything to do with their westernization is another story, but it's apparent that their being westernized doesn't necessarily lead to them to be more intolerant of mixed black/Asian children than less westernized Asian groups. |
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chuachua Probationary
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Posted: Mon 27 Aug 2007 13:21 Post subject: Why is the focus only African-American and Asian couples? |
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| I was wondering, why is everyone focusing only on African-American couples? What about the few Caribbean and Asian couples? Also Are they treated just the same as the Africa-American and Asian couples....also the children? |
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punjabtrini Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 16:54 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What about the few Caribbean and Asian couples? Also Are they treated just the same as the Africa-American and Asian couples....also the children? |
Maybe it is me but I just do not get the part of the children!
Anyway, for the Southern Caribbean/Northern South America (Trinidad, Guyana and Surinam) the Afro-Asian (Indian subcontinent) the offspring are called douglas (pronounced as duuglahs).
Perhaps half of them look like South Indians (as expresses in hair texture) and the others looking like Africans of various types (Somali/Ethiopians).
The writer Arnold Rampersad and Mervyn Dymally are from Trinidad and they are representative of that mix! A small percentage of douglas, depending on the admixture of their parents, approximate North Indian phenotype! |
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chuachua Probationary
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Posted: Sat 08 Sep 2007 09:34 Post subject: Sorry about the confusion.... |
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| But what u meant was, are the children mixed with Caribbean and Asian treated the same as children mixed with African-American and Asian by the Asian society today? Meaning, are they look down upon equally or not. |
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punjabtrini Mentor

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Posted: Sat 08 Sep 2007 17:09 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Meaning, are they look down upon equally or not |
I know how reality is but as a spiritual person why would I personally look down on children as whatever. I will define them by their behaviour, or I would probably say their parents were like that but I do not play that.
I aspire to higher goals and I realize that people can espouse all these wonderful things but still treat others like shit.
Fom my native Trinidad, I ahve seen many so called intelligent people behave in less than ways and would order their children to drink poison or kill themselves if they disobey their parents orders! There is no honour in that. That is abuse. But it continues!
Children should be nutured as best as possible and not looked down upon because of ignorant beliefs of their parents. |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 15:08 Post subject: |
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| punjabtrini wrote: | | Quote: | | Meaning, are they look down upon equally or not |
I know how reality is but as a spiritual person why would I personally look down on children as whatever. I will define them by their behaviour, or I would probably say their parents were like that but I do not play that.
I aspire to higher goals and I realize that people can espouse all these wonderful things but still treat others like shit.
Fom my native Trinidad, I ahve seen many so called intelligent people behave in less than ways and would order their children to drink poison or kill themselves if they disobey their parents orders! There is no honour in that. That is abuse. But it continues!
Children should be nutured as best as possible and not looked down upon because of ignorant beliefs of their parents. |
In your experience are Indo-Trinidadians less accepting of these children than Afro-Trinidadians? Is Indo-Trinidadian acceptance of these children influenced by religious affiliation? Are Hindus less accepting than Muslims or Christians for example? |
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MJacobs Probationary
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Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 15:11 Post subject: |
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one of my best friends has an african mother and a chinese father
he is well respected by all and the colour of his skin and where he comes from is not an issue in the slightest |
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punjabtrini Mentor

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Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007 18:03 Post subject: |
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In your experience are Indo-Trinidadians less accepting of these children than Afro-Trinidadians? Is Indo-Trinidadian acceptance of these children influenced by religious affiliation? Are Hindus less accepting than Muslims or Christians for example? |
As a rule, yes. Indo-Trinidadians tend to be less accepting than all other groups when it comes to children. This is changing slowly. Religious affiliation has no bearing on the acceptance. The more independent a family is, the more accepting means group cohesion is less.
I do not want to make this a blanket statement but some families who claim to be religious will /may often have their girl chlidren drink weed poison when they hear their daughter is marrying a black man because in their mind that is dishonour to the family! |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Mon 29 Oct 2007 12:53 Post subject: |
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| MJacobs wrote: | one of my best friends has an african mother and a chinese father
he is well respected by all and the colour of his skin and where he comes from is not an issue in the slightest |
Where does he come from? Is he from the U.S. or does he live in the U.S.? |
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MJacobs Probationary
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Whoops
Clarification needed!
I am an Australian.
I was talking about Australia.
Country Australia though, which is less tolerant than the city folk as a rule.
Me, I am an Australian living in Ireland, trying to find a wife |
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geekycat8927 Probationary
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| I am Chinese, and I have been dating a mulatto (he is from Europe tho) for four years. My parents are okay with it so does with many other people, but many people in my Chinesec community is not too okay with it because he is black >.< |
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Bischoff Mentor

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Posted: Mon 14 Apr 2008 00:05 Post subject: |
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| geekycat8927 do you personally know any Chinese male/Black female couples ? |
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G-Man Moderator

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| geekycat8927 wrote: | | I am Chinese, and I have been dating a mulatto (he is from Europe tho) for four years. My parents are okay with it so does with many other people, but many people in my Chinesec community is not too okay with it because he is black >.< |
Where do you live? Do you live in Europe or North America? |
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geekycat8927 Probationary
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| G-Man wrote: | | geekycat8927 wrote: | | I am Chinese, and I have been dating a mulatto (he is from Europe tho) for four years. My parents are okay with it so does with many other people, but many people in my Chinesec community is not too okay with it because he is black >.< |
Where do you live? Do you live in Europe or North America? |
Canada. We met each other in high school and we have been dating for 4 years. My parent have concern of him as a young guy (you know the "guys are jerks, all they want is hit-and-run" kinda concept), but i know my mom side wasnt too okay with it not only because he is not Chinese but he is also a "coloured person....
and although im agnostic, im always involve with chinese protestant/evangelical church, and people in there is quite against interracial relationships... >.< |
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